I had a chance to sell it and up until that time I was the sole operator. And I remember this fellow from down in the States wanted to buy it for his son-in-law. And went in and I...to see the manager of the Bank-of-Commerce.

Speaker 2: I would say without you telling me, you probably came here from England. Speaker 3: At one time. Speaker: Well they did, they landed in the States, somewhere I couldn't tell you where. Speaker 3: Yes, I have heard tell that they came with the United-Empire-Loyalists.

... Delora refinery was the one place in Canada which supplied the market with the pure cobalt metal. And when they needed because of the (inc.) they needed uses for it, they asked an inventor from the States who was doing work on metal to come. This man was Mr. Haynes, Elwood Haynes and it was he who developed an allow, stellite using cobalt, tungsten and chromium. And that is the stellite allow which is used in the plant here in Belleville.

... when Allen was a baby he had meningitis you-know the disease that children used to get, and they turned Allen down because he ah he limped a little bit so he went, he was taken into a big hospital in the States where doctors were more paid to...follow the professors around. He has done extremely well.

And also there's a family of Masons that made the trek up later from The-States but ah, that was one of my grandfathers married June-Maston and I had their wedding certificate for many years I think I gave it to my son, eighteen-forty and they had to go to Whitby to be married.

They had ah- oh they ah- when they started the plant they had ah all-kind of- it was started-up with U-S managers basically. From- from The-States. Proctor-and-Gamble in The-States. And it was ah- those guys were great. Friendly, helpful. Great guys, I wish they were still there.

So they- we- I- we learned all that stuff from Proctor-and-Gamble, it was great. Fantastic training-classes, they'd- they would send us away for training classes for a week or three days or to The-States for training-classes sometimes. Fantastic company that way, the training.

Interviewer: What's here that's attractive? Speaker: I think it's just the- the quality of life here. Um. The safeness you-know, easy to get around, close to Toronto, close to the States. Our son just moved back from- from Toronto. They've been in the Toronto area for almost ten years and they've moved back just because of that reason.

Interviewer: Where else have you visited? Speaker: Oh golly um Europe, several times. Love it. Um, again, like the U-K, Ireland, oh, um, Hawaii, Fiji, Australia, New-Zealand. Lots of the States, all across Canada. Oh Hungary, the Czech-Republic-

Speaker: Oh men, men, men not just- and then of-course in Belleville why ah a lot of the people in Bellville used to do the rum-running across the lake you-know. Interviewer: To where? Speaker: To the States in- in prohibition times. Yeah.

T-V, play cards, we play an awful lot of cards, Rob and I. I-mean ah I- I like- w-- we play ah cribbage sometime, but we have another game a couple down the states taught us, and ah we play that a lot and we call it oh different names. But um and then we go out in the car and we do out shopping and-that.

Interviewer: It was really neat actually. Speaker: And where's that? Interviewer: Um down in the states. Speaker: Where in The-States? Interviewer: Ah New-York-State.

My father was born and raised in Belleville. My mother was born in England and came to Canada as a very young woman to work. She- her parents were dead and um she just- she and her sister came to Canada and her sister later went to the-States so and she met my father and they were married.

Interviewer: With distribution right across Canada and into the States? Speaker: Yes, all across Canada; no, not in the States just all across Canada.

I went- well yes I went to basketball camps. I went to one in The-States that was ah run by Leo-Revins, who played in the N-B-A. And we had all these you-know super high-quality coaches there which was awesome.

... he was an American and ah during the revolution you were either- you either kept your mouth shut and tried stayed neutral or you were a rebel or you were a loyalist and he became a loyalist and was quite a notorious- like he's well-known in The-States, if you go down around the area around Albany, he's ah- not a legend but kind-of the villain. Um, but they know h-- they seem to know more about him there then they did here.

It- just at- especially at that time there was nothing available so- you-know teachers were desperate to have anything that illustrated- and it's funny- um T-V-O and some outfit in Quebec and some place down in The-States actually bought footage from it- just to illustrate in their own films that they were doing- so it was like- a- a stock-footage ah source as well.

... oh he had some theory that it- there was another place in The-States that was founded by somebody from Belleville, and I think it's Belleville, Michigan or-something-like-that. And they said holy-wha too.

Yeah I do ah- yeah I do a lot of ah- ah- ah I got into a lot of hiking and camping and ah mountaineering and- and I- I do a lot of ah mountain climbing down in The-States. Uh this year I didn't do any in the winter but ah I generally try to get some done in the winter and summer and-things.

Interviewer: So um, why do you think then people would leave Belleville if they- either doctors or just people who (inc) Speaker: Well you- you-know we've been lucky that we haven't lost too many doctors but a lot of doctors will go down to The-States where they've got ma-- major incentives- major cash when- incentives and-things. Once we have doctors here we- we don't offer a- ah retention program at or- we haven't before.