On this side, was the kitchen, the regular kitchen for the home. And you went in a door just inside the back-door. You went in there, maybe not just inside but just up a little ways, you went in there into the kitchen, and that was a great big kitchen, and it had a table sitting in the centre of the floor ...

Across the way was this great tract of property that went right down almost to Dundas-Street in fact the rectory is probably close to one hundred, the parish hall is getting on the same, I-guess.

Speaker: Kind of a windlass, or a winch affair. Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a thing come down here, it was chained you-see on both sides. Rhat went out, that parted you-see, and put around your stone. The stone somebody pecked a hole in both sides of it.

In this tragedy of young people today, Sunday-school has taken a back seat hasn't it. We had several hundred children in Sunday-school and it was a real family affair. There are two many snow-mobiles and skiing trips in the winter and summer camps in the summer, and to be frank about it, I have come to the conclusion myself that, the family pew has come more important than the Sunday-school.

Interviewer: First of all, I guess the background of the choir, who has been in it? Speaker: Well, there again I can't, the choir is completely volunteer affair. It's getting more difficult all the time, it goes well again I shouldn't well I was there, this is a bad thing to say, we always had ten or twelve boys in the choir, very wonderfully trained and everything and enjoyable.

I think they had minstrels and they put on minstrel shows if they could find a place to put it on (laughs). ... I don't know who the conductor of those affairs would be. Ah, I just don't know, but they were good and some of them were just downright fun, you-know.

And when they have their big bazaar up there, or their big (inc), as they call it now, they used to call it a bazaar but now they call it a more-or-less a family get-together affair. It brings the families all together and this thing, so they have all kinds of stalls with (inc) and aprons and jams and all-this-kind-of-stuff and home cooking and everything you see in the mornings and a coffee pot.

Interviewer: I understand a lot of the carriage manufacturers were, in Ontario, very small businesses, family businesses. Do you know of any large manufacturers that were sort of province-wide? Speaker: Yes. As you say many carriage plants, well they hardly deserve the name plant, well they were family affairs such as ours. My father, my grandfather, and myself, were all involved in this in turn.

... and she would have her Edinburough crystal out and the turkey would- would have the little white ah paper feet. And it would be displayed, and Uncle Cameron would carve. And it was all such a formal grand affair and it was- it was- I thought it was- I was dining in the ultimate spot. Yeah, you dressed up and you- it was just the greatest thing in the world.

Speaker: Oh, well I was very sport-minded. I loved sports so all those teachers were great. Ah games? I suppose alleys was one of the biggest ones in public school. They even had city-wide competitions. Interviewer: What's that? Speaker: With alleys? Interviewer: I don't- I have no idea what that is. Speaker: Do you know what an alley is? Interviewer: I don't- Speaker: It's a little glass ball. Interviewer: Oh. Okay. Speaker: And there was a big ring with a hole in the middle and it was- who could get- throw it the closest or-whatever.

No they weren't that bad. And um in senior-fourth you were always downstairs near the principal's office, that's- and um I remember playing out in the ah yard- school-yard, we played a lot of alleys and we played a lot of hopscotch and the girls did that, I think the boys probably played ball in the summertime.

Oh very little. It was just a little village. A little hamlet along the way. Um, but ah, so I'd go into the apothecary shop, and of course they knew who I was, I didn't have a clue. And they would chit-chat and-what-not, and then I'd see them on the street, and-so-on and it was fabulous.

Yep, and I worked there for seven years after that and ah- ah, was a sign painter. Um and in that seven years got married and had a- ah had a daughter. And ah, it was a good thing my dad kicked my arse out of the house, and- he didn't kick me out, kick me out...

Yeah, the- the plate mill takes out some but not near as much. We l-- we always took out- weight out a pound less per hundred than took in and what moisture did go out the plate grinds for the plates got awfully hot. But yet they couldn't get out of the elevator so moisture pretty well but still it dries out some.

It took them a long time and many cups of tea. We had to provide a little kettle and tea pot so everything stops for tea you-know in England. They were awfully nice fellows, one of them sang in the choir for a while, while he was here.

... the first concerts that were put on were a little on the painful side but I kept going and of-course they improved and ah since they were just beginners they- well, they did the best that they could, but their best wasn't awfully good, you-know in those first days. But they steadily improved and now the- the bands in the schools, the various schools- they really are worth something, and ah I can go without any fear of trembling now (laughs).

... it's just as difficult for us to buy men's shoes today as women's. By difficult I should say that the styles are changing just as rapidly for men as they are for women. And this keeps us on our toes. We have to be awfully careful because styles can change so rapidly. I was away from the business for about six months and when I came back early this year, I was surprised to see the minus-heel as a fad.

And I believe that in Toronto and in Kitchener, the medical profession started knocking them and I don't know whether that was a factor or not. But all of a sudden they're rapidly disappearing. And I'm awfully glad that we have very few of them left. We have not bought any for the next season, not a single solitary pair. We cut off buying them back a few months ago and what we have now gone, that will be end of it as far as we are concerned.

... well, one day a chap stopped to wish me good-luck and another car came along the other way, hit the hind end of my horse and so he threw me down this- over this fence and down a little hill. So the man who had been talking to me was awfully kind, he called up the State-Troopers, their headquarters in Troy and from then on, I went- I had a state-trooper with me each day.

... he came up to Toronto and I dropped him a note and I had lunch with him and I reminded him of how pleasant our visit had been, and he wrote me an awfully nice letter back. I have it here and I'll show it to you ah-