I used to hull the lumber to Toronto when I drove a truck. Well to start with, you'd load the lumber on the ro-- railroad car eh? And the boxcar but then when they got these big trucks the trucks got to be more economical than the railroads.

Put it in the house in the wintertime. And ah that was our boxcar. And they had w-- things that went into them (inc) boards that went up to the side of it and we had to get up there and get in the boxcar and this kind-of crazy stuff.

And they cord-wood was through to Haliburton and then in Haliburton there, he had an endless chain going out of the buc-- going out of the lake and that wet cord would do to come up and then you'd pile- pile it in the boxcar.

Speaker: Well we'd put- I- he'd be- we'd put it on a boxcar. Interviewer: Oh yeah? Speaker: We had a railway. The I-B-and-O.

I was carrying gyprocks same as a man by the time I was twelve-years-old. Unloading boxcars, so hot you couldn't hardly breathe, you'd put about two or three planks out, about two-feet from the roof and be sweating buckets. You'd have to come to the door and get real air 'cause it was so hot and so thin in the- in the boxcar, you get a couple breaths of air and back in you go and get a few more planks so you got a whole opened big enough that you could breathe proper.

Speaker: After we been there for a while and ah we had a- a choice I guess ah to walk or ride on a box- in a boxcar. So (laughs) we said we'd sooner go in a boxcar. Interviwer: Mm-hm. Speaker: And some ones that didn't like that idea ah too well knew that a lot of the Allied planes, the Americans especially, they were f-- flew Mustangs, which were long range fire planes. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: And they were in- they were in strifing all the trains that they saw. Interviewer: Oh. Oh yeah. Speaker: Yeah, so you're taking a chance but the Germans, they don't like to be strifed anymore than we did so they h-- they had ah P-O-W's painted in big white letters on the side of the boxcars.

Cause I remember when daddy used to cull pulp- pulp and he put it in a boxcar so he had a train coming to it.

And that's- and then- it would- it'd come up a chute, and then my brother and I were in the boxcar, and we would pile the- pile the lumber in the boxcar. And we used to put thirty-six-thousand feet of lumber in that boxcar. Started from the bottom, and build a platform, and- <3> Mm-hm. <013> And, ah, that would take- phew, about a- a day, to pile a- one boxcar. <3> Really? <013> Yeah, they had railway tracks all the way down to- the- all the way down to the lakeshore down there. And, ah, they had one boxcar after another boxcar.