Speaker: See, here's the different- here's the different attachment th-- ah, this is called a collar and hames. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: And this is called the Dutch-c-- or, the breast collar. Interviewer: Hm. Speaker: Goes around under his neck, there, and- and this strap holded it up from falling down under his feet.

First thing you put on was the collar. And then you put the hames, throw them over their back and buckle the hames on, belly-band, surcingle or two between the legs- front legs and the belly-band went through it and you buckled.

Interviewer:And what did the driver hold? Speaker: Their lines. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Ah do you know the names of- the name of any of the other pieces of the- of the harness? Speaker: Harness- there was a collar, and um- and ah, hames, the hames were attached to the- to the traces that hitched to the buggy. And then there was the back pad- but I don't know what that's called around. And then um- the tray- ah, no there was ah- another affair attached to the shafts, too.