McLeech's have been the same place for seven-hundred years, they weren't all sons you-know. If a girl, the one that married the McLeech-girl, he takes her name, McLeech. That's funny but, that's women's lib and they had it way back in those days. It was only right, too, you-know. You-know it saved a lot of fighting in the family, perhaps them bad uncles would grab for it ...

Interviewer: Interesting there's that perception. I mean is that true of the larger business world? Like, is there men's jobs, women's jobs-? Speaker: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Women's lib never happened, plus- but if you- again, if you go back and look at the skills, okay, they are- it's is- yes, there's a significant portion that's business skills, but a lot of it still is that nurturing, interpersonal, communicating ...

Probably relatively okay but it's very macho sort-of- so Tim would be a little more macho than one might wish he were and Linda's quite you-know, relatively you-know, women's-lib sort of thing and, anyway. I don't know if you got anymore questions to ask me?

Speaker: But I wouldn't have gone anyway because I don't- I guess I'm old fashion enough to believe that I don't think a man should have to travel around because his wife has a job somewhere. Interviewer: Hm. Speaker: I-guess I'm not women's-lib. Interviewer: Aw (laughs).