Interviewer: Was it, ah- did you have a- a good ride going to town on the sleigh? Speaker: Oh yes. Interviewer: Was it, ah, was it smooth? Speaker: Oh yes, ah, well, unless there's pitchholes. Interviewer: Were- were there- was it- were there pitchholes there? Speaker: Pitchholes, I do remember in there from, ah, the eighth-line, there was an awful winter for snow.

Interviewer: What did you- what did- kind of road was it? What was it? Speaker: Oh, old road in the wintertime with maybe snow this high. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: Full of pitchholes between drifts. Mm, boys, they got what they called a ah- a frame sleigh with long runners. They were desperate. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: They come up over that and then whap down into it. It just- they had two seats in them. Usually there- four or five people going in it. Just pitch you right off the back seat (laughs). Interviewer: So you called them pitchholes.