Interviewer: Yeah. If it's complete wood that hasn't been split it would be a log fence. Speaker: Mm-hm. That's right. That's right, mm-hm. Interviewer: Yeah. Did you use wire for fences much? Speaker: Wire? Oh not too much. No, we did an odd fire wence (: wire fence) but not too many. Interviewer: No. The wood was cheaper I guess in those days. Speaker: Oh we had the wood of our own you see.

Interviewer: Did you use the wire though that had s-- little spikes on it? Speaker: That was the- what do you call that now? They wouldn't- the cows wouldn't go where there was the- Interviewer: That's right. What- what was the name of that? Speaker: I forget the name of that. Wire fence? I know what you mean. Interviewer: It seems to me it begins with a B. Speaker: The- they were qu-- b-- wire crossed in pieces. A section. Interviewer: Well I'm talking about the wire and then they have an extra little sharp piece of wire twisted around so it stuck out. ... Something like a barbed wire fence. Speaker: Barbed wire fence. Like I say, I thought it was- Interviewer: Is that right? What was that? Speaker: I think so. A barbed wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Mm-hm.

Interviewer: But if a fence was made of wire that had spiky sharp piece of it ah- at intervals. Speaker: Well- Interviewer: So that if anything rubbed against it, it would scratch them. Speaker: Oh, that would- Interviewer: To keep people and animals- Speaker: That would- that would be a barbed-wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Yes. Interviewer: That's a- a different sort of fence. Speaker: Barbed-wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Well- well there'd be lightening and- and lightening was very dangerous, uh, sometimes lightening would strike trees, strike your house or a barn, burn out a- and if- if cattle were close to a wire fence sometimes they were electrocuted. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Did that seem to happen more uh, in early days than it does now? Speaker: W-- more now because- Interviewer: More now. Speaker: More now because at one time, see there's more- more wire fences now- Interviewer: Mm-hm.

Speaker: Oh, they were log fences, a lot of log fences. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Any other kinds? Speaker: And um, we had some wire fences. The wire fences were usually between the farms, separating two farms. Interviewer: Oh, I see. Speaker: But, if we wanted to separate fields, sometimes it was uh- was it long fences we called them, or what was that we called them? I can't just think. There'd be cedar poles, you-know?

Speaker: Or put in fencing material, and they'd go fencing. The auger for boring the post-holes, the s-- wire, a stretch of the wire itself. The hammers and everything-like-that. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Mm-hm. What ah, what kind of wire fences would these be that you're thinking of? Speaker: Ah well there was the ah barbed-wire fences, we had an ah- an- all the- of the ah- our farm was a corner lot that was roads on both sides, and we had wire fencing and on the left, but then um ah the other was split um poles, and they called it railed-fence.

Speaker: Well my parents- well, yeah, exactly. When my parents took us out of school for the week to take us on this vacation, so they figured they get some education in it a little bit and- yeah, it was really cool. I liked how- to see- like how their- their barbed wire fences wer-- were they just ah, break pieces of glass and then cement it on-top of the cement walls- Interviewer: Really? Speaker: So it was like broken pieces of glass sticking up. I thought that was really cool.

I can remember that's where I learned to swim (laughs). And I remember of the pigs being up on the- there was a wire fence, you-know, above that (laughs). And I remember the pigs being in the other end and we were (laughs) the dam- right at the dam where it was deeper (laughs). Can you imagine that? And the cattle at the top of the hill and urine going down there.

Interviewer: So what I was asking was when you go to fed chickens, when they're out in the yard, do you- Speaker: They're n-- Interviewer: Have to call them to fed them? Speaker: Oh no. We had a little yard, sc-- you-know, chicken wire fence around it. But when they were to be fed in the pen, they were right there.

He just sa-- remembers seeing a glow of this headlight obviously. The other train coming around this rock cut. Anyway, they hit, that's all he remembered. He woke up in a fence. It catapulted him right out of the thing and right out of the rec really and into a wire fence. So he had a sore back and a few sprains but he walked away from it. The rest were all killed.

I still remember the one ah fellow that was helping him ah he was chasing us. We ah swung over top of the wire fence and he didn't realize and he was coming full tilt after us and he tried to jump it and his feet caught and how he didn't break his neck because he just went (non-lexical sound) right up (laughs)-

Speaker: ... and we'd just- and there was a stile at the back fence into the ah- the schoolyard, so you'd climb up over the stile and there you were. Interviewer: Explain what a stile is. Speaker: What a stile is. Interviewer: Yes. Yes. Speaker: Yes. Okay so you have the wire fence, and that's really awkward to climb over. So they would build ah wooden steps up one side and down the other.