Okay, okay. Yeah no my dad comes from Cobalt, but he was born there. And my mother, like I said was- was born in Montreal but her dad had passed away and they couldn't- they just had a small mother's allowance back then and she had two children, couldn't visit her mother so her uncle who had a bakery in- ah, in Cobalt brought them to Cobalt to help them out. ... Figured by- by having them there, he could help them out better.

My brother had already been born. And my brother was two years and something. ... And my- there was no mothers'-allowance, there was nothing to help young women who was in the same situation. So she went back to the farm where there was no hydro, no heat except wood stove. ... After being in town where there was hydro, running water out of a tap.