Quite often when they did though they didn't want to go back to their own bosses, they wanted to stay with the English boys they did! Seems though that ah that their own ah foremans used to be ah- ah- holler at them a lot and- and ah swear at them a lot and drive them you-know to get more work or-something-like-that and ah our men didn't do it that way. They ah- they worked sort of like ah like friends ...

Interviewer: And who would be the disciplinarian there? Speaker: Well there was- there was foremans, and real tough foremans, that's what they were.

And ah wrecked his leg. I guess he was able to get it repaired but it was a major repair because that was- that was just through foolishness. He wasn't listening. Then we had a- a foreman and I've had some very dangerous foremans. This foreman lost a lot of men under him. He was up at- he ah- in one case he was up at Timmins, taking down an overhead ah towers that ah- unloaded the- used to unload the trucks, they'd reached down th-- with big hoists and grabbed the load off ...

Bob-Oma, he was one of the last ah log drive foremans and Bob's not that long dead he died in two-thousand-six so I don't know how old Bob was when he was doing that maybe seventeen eighteen maybe-