Well, at the beginning it was set in pans, big flat pans, and then, when the cream had raise to the top, there was what they called a skimmer of ten, with the little holes in it, and you'd just slip that under the cream, and put it in a special container, 'til you had enough to churn.

Cut them and then when we had a- what they call an old flat pan. They're like those out of stone- out a piece from the house and they- they put the flat pan on it was opened up, you-know, and this- and then you put the sap in there and you sit there and you- boils up.

And ah she made her own soap, from this- when you kill the pigs and-stuff she'd save the- the fat in one-thing-or-another and- and made her- I remember the big flat pan she'd make it in, cut it all in squares and ah- and all- like there's-