I 'm at a point heading off to college on a scholarship and so you-know she doesn 't always get a lot of attention but she- yeah sh-- her and I get along pretty well most of the time. We have our, our spats like all siblings do and yeah she 's, she 's probably actually the best athlete in the family in terms of who could go the furthest.

Right. So I 'm not saying, yeah we all have to go back to starched shirts and you-know, spats, that 's not the point, but- but there has been a real loss, and people will argue- they 'll say, "Good, because people are much more creative and they 're much more relaxed, and- and we need ideas and-" That 's correct as well...

Speaker: Yeah, one on each side. And if- if we were both arguing- Interviewer: Right. Speaker: And I mean it would be a little spat and my parents would catch it quick before anything ever escalated, so um but we would have to give each other a kiss.

Oh back in my childhood- did we ever get to- oh we always had disagreements with a brother ah or- you-know- yeah, yes, yes. Ah I think I- we're pretty close, our- our- our- my brothers and sisters. Ah we had the odd spat and-everything-else but it's just (inc).

It's weird but ah- they're supposed to mature, but I think they still have the odd little spat you-know.