Interviewer: Mm-hm. Ah do you know the names of- the name of any of the other pieces of the- of the harness? Speaker: Harness- there was a collar, and um- and ah, hames, the hames were attached to the- to the traces that hitched to the buggy. And then there was the back pad- but I don't know what that's called around. And then um- the tray- ah, no there was ah- another affair attached to the shafts, too.

And the snow was deep and the bank was deep and they couldn't pulley the horse, 'cause the horse big ton horse go to that, they just fall on their nose. So I said, "Somebody's going to get hurt," so I had saddles, so I took the back pad off the horse and put a saddle on and put the up top of the horse with the helmet on and there would be snow in the trees so you put the big orange bag over them and their arms out so the snow would fly off ...