Now the ah- the ah sails of the boats of Mr.-Schmidt and Mr.-Caulham, Mr.-Rickards, and-so-on- they were re-- they were proper sails but ah we (inc) small fry had to do with Red-Path sugar-bags.

... of course that applies to an awful lot of places, where they used to be real good factories and things where hundreds of men worked. Then they especially if they worked with timber or wood and then it was all used up and then they had to go someplace else.

Us young fellers used to go visiting nights, you know, so you never know when somebody was coming. You didn't have to wait for a visit for an invitation then to go. You just felt like going someplace, you just up and went.

Uh, every Tuesday night, for over eleven years, I've been in this office for- unless I'm ah doing emergency measures work someplace. Um so, this is the kind of routine I- uh- we've set up. Ah at no time do- is my secretary or myself uh- uh- on holidays or away.

Yes, ah I think the ah radio certainly has been a help in my case because the- the only way you could hear some of this beautiful music would be to go someplace else from Belleville, 'cause after-all, Belleville isn't a large city. You could probably go to Toronto and hear some ah beautiful music and I went to Toronto a good many times just to hear some music.

The people that had no heat in their houses, they had to get out and go with friends or relatives or some places.

... oh I guess she was, I guess she was- it seems to me she was down around in- way down in the States anyway, around Mexico or someplace and she came back home and she had her two children with her.

Interviewer: Did he actually own a carriage making place or was he just a worker? Speaker: He- he wo-- worked at it and then he started his own out around Madoc someplace and then went in to farming after that because just at that time they started making ah ah buggies and-that in Oshawa you-know with the General-Motors.

Interviewer: Where was the furnace room then? Speaker: I don't know, I didn't see the furnace room. It must have been near the back someplace. You see across from you go into that Mrs-Smith's kitchen. Across there is a room isn't there. Maybe that is the furnace room. I know the maid slept down there in the winter time.

It was- well in the- in the sense ah people would say "Well don't you think it's dangerous?" And I say "Once you get through Toronto to the airport you're safe." Then fly to Yellowknife or-some-place and from there it takes small aircraft in some northern lake or pond and-

And I also felt that, when I went on exchange, I didn't want to go ah and ah, be with Canadians. I wanted to go and be with the Scots. ... And so I felt that if I went to large city like Edinburough or some place, you don't meet people in a large city. I don't feel anyway, so I thought, "If I go to a smaller place, you become involved in other people's lives", and I certainly did, I certainly did. It was fabulous. Absolutely fabulous.

So I lasted about half-a-year at the ah residence and then I said, "I- this is not for me," and my poor mom and dad they scrambled to get- find some place for me and ah just through friends they found a family that wanted to take in a boarder and it was like- I lucked out 'cause they- these were the nicest people in the c-- city.

... a lot of schools were buying it and some libraries and-things-like-that so. It- just at- especially at that time there was nothing available so- you-know teachers were desperate to have anything that illustrated- and it's funny- um T-V-O and some outfit in Quebec and some place down in The-States actually bought footage from it- just to illustrate in their own films that they were doing- so it was like- a- a stock-footage ah source as well.

Interviewer: Is it like set teams that show up all the time or is it like pick-up game? Speaker: Oh no that- you show up and the- and we put you some place and-that so.

And um they settled in um Belleville because my grandmother Milton had a- a sister who was a seamstress here with Andrew-MacIsaac tailors down on Front-Street. And so they settled here and all of my aunts became seamstress-workers someplace in Belleville and my father had- had become a carpenter-pattern-maker in Scotland and had his- his papers over there and started working with um- with Samuel-Adams in some of the older places.

... I've got friends that work at Exxon-Mobil, and they go through this same thing you-know. No, we can take out business over to Germany or some place and, "Da da da da da", so I guess when it comes down to it anymore it seems like the- the bottom line is you-know, ah I guess your shareholders and ah, and your- your profits, so-

So ah we ah cleaned it all up and we whitewashed the whole thing, got some whitewash and- and ah we got an old car-seat from someplace and that- that was our- that was our- ... That was our clubhouse for years.

Speaker: ... they were hobo-houses. And ah but that ah- the railroaders knew they were there and but- ... Didn't bother them. They- they would catch maybe the next freight maybe the next day and ah go on and- go on down to Kingston or someplace like that and- Interviewer: And try their- try their luck there getting food or work. Speaker: And- ah- yeah yeah.

Interviewer: What did it cost to- to see the- the Saturday afternoon matinee? Speaker: Ah at that time about fifteen-cents to twenty-five-cents, in that range someplace.

I remember in our home we had a girl her name was Melba. I forget what her last name was now. Maybe it was West but I'm not sure. And she stayed with us oh three or four years and then she got a job somewheres and then she got married, and there were boys who came over and you-know worked on farms or somewheres and then they got started and got out on their own.