Oh men, men, men not just- and then of-course in Belleville why ah a lot of the people in Bellville used to do the rum-running across the lake you-know.

Okay. And all of a sudden, Susan came running over to- to pick up uh the uh scooper and I’m looking down and there is- she has sort-of gone to the bathroom and someone has- ste-- stepped all over it. Anyway, Susan and I cleaned as much as possible and naturally we put in a quarter a- half uh, uh container of chlorine. Well then, we decided we didn’t get it all and what happened was, we took the long brush and we brushed it to the other end.

Oh dance, go to dances. I used to do a lot of Scotch dancing.

I did to do a lot of Scotch dancing.

Speaker: So, I guess we're more Celtish and you-know connected to the Irish and the Welsh and the Scotch and- Interviewer: Depending on where those border-- borders were. Speaker: Yeah, that's right and they of-course have changed.

No my sister was- was born um three and a half years earlier um, not in Belleville but in Kingston, my father ah grew up on a hard scrabble farm at Parham.

Probably. Um but I- I don't remember you-know being t-- we used to ride our bikes all over the place and go out to the scuttle-hole for a picnic and um. Well we- we'd go- when we were in our teens we'd go out to the scuttle-hole, have a picnic and.

There is- yeah, the wharf is south of the tracks and it's funny because we have a beautiful lakeshore trail down there- Bayshore trail, but it's just like, scuzzy little war-time houses with scuzzy little people that sit on their lawn and drink a lot of beer and get really drunk.

Well I went on and got my first class certificate. A lot of them at that time are just getting your second class. And I went ah another two years. It was then ah and got my first class and I took the matric as well as the teacher's. And so ah I- I took everything they asks me to take because I thought someday I might want this and I might want that and I didn't know just what I was going to do altogether and so I took ah junior and senior matric and junior and senior teacher's- normal so-

I attended Queen-Victoria-School. And I- and I to-- and then ah Queen-Victoria-High-School was above Queen-Victoria's- ah Public-School, at that time, and then I went to Queen-Victoria-High-School and then I went ah- I got my ah- ah matric and ah- and seni-- ah junior and senior matric and-so-on there and then ah I went to faculty in Toronto and came back and started to Queen-Victoria-School to teach.

There wasn't anything done for them really. They're having a- They always had an outdoor rink. It wasn't a closed-in rink, that we had. It was just an outdoor rink. And just a shanty to put your skates on in. One for the girls and one for the boys. And ah it was well, at one time we all had gas lights you-see? We only had- we only had the gas on the corner.

The window ledges would be holly and ferns and things-like-that and up in the chancel there'd be a good display of fruit and sheaves of wheat and oats tied in bundles at each corner and there was one special lady who used to do most of that. But, that's all I can remember about that. It was a beautiful church is all I can tell you ...

But ah between the oil-tanks, and my mum- and where- where I grew up, there was one particular ah spot there that was always full of coal. And I can remember that pile of coal. And we had to shinny a big fence if we wanted to go over there, and we used to do it...

I think these were kinda just kinda off to the- but anyway we used to do that, we used to do that, we used to shinny that fence and ah go over there and shovel off a nice pad and play hockey. We'd do that all the time. It was either there or down at the harbour.

So when I was little, those- when the harbour was not available, that's where we played hockey. We would carry our hockey-sticks down, and our skates, and we'd shinny the fence to get over by the oil-tank, and in there was the most perfect ice-pads you ever saw in your life.

...they would ruin the- ruin the jump so- but ah- and then in the winter we ah we ah played a lot o' hockeys ah ah used to play a lot o' shinny and ah the boys play of-course on the road now...

Interviewer: High-school. B-C-I. ... And if you thought Queen-Elizabeth was big, how was B-C-I? Speaker: Um well- I'm sure it- thinking back now it felt terribly intimidating. You-know I was terrified mostly of a guy named Jesse-Tomlinson, who was a guy that was at ah Queen-Elizabeth, for some reason I was terribly intimidated or frightened of this guy. I thought he was gonna beat the hell outta me. B-C-I I remember always had a- a- a- not a dark side, but a rep around town that that's where some of the skids were. Interviewer: And what were skids? Speaker: Well they were kind-of the rough types, ah leather-jacketed, long-haired, mullets.

I heard my father saying that he worked in a woods when he was young and he said some of the timber, the logs that they'd condem, say they weren’t fit for anything, wouldn’t use them to make a skid way to pile logs on.

They had to some- or concentrate and that was- you-know started- that was no work but it was very, very little. They'd be there on the seventh concession one morning early before we got up, and there be just slings and (inc) and- and another thing that they- there was the mill sheds where they used to tie their horses and everybody in the village had a cow at that time.

Speaker: My grandma I-don't- I don't know what she did. Interviewer 5: (inc) Speaker: She like I-don't-know stay at home mom or-something. And I-don't-know they were both all into curling hard. They were curlers. My grandma- they were both slow-pitch baseball or-whatever. They were all into that. I-don't-know.