Interviewer: Can you explain how ah, in your family history, through your grandparents immigrating, how it is they came to settle in this specific area? Speaker: Well, specifically because of mining. Um, my grandmother came over with ah family she was the nanny and my grand-- met my grandfather in the-States, where he was working mining and then they got married and moved up here because mining was the profession, in those days.

Interviewer: You don't know if your grand-- your grandparents must have landed in Halifax or- or in the States? Speaker: Nope, in the-States. New-York-City. Interviewer: Okay, and ah, so then, did they go up through Quebec, they must have took the tram to- to get up here. Speaker: That I'm not sure of.

Interviewer: And have you traveled anywhere else? Speaker: I s-- I- I spent a lot of time traveling the States before that. Like in the eighties and-that.

Interviewer: Did you ever get a chance to go outside of Canada? Speaker: Oh yes. Interviewer: Oh yes. Speaker: We've been to the States a few times, we've gone back to Italy on trips. Interviewer: Oh.

... sometimes instead of coming back home through Canada, we would cross through into Sioux-Saint-Marie, Michigan, and then drive through Michigan and come out at Detroit, near Windsor and then come home that way, like we'd never driven down into the States other than Florida and the Napa-Valley but um we've done that, just go across and border cities.

Don't ever knock the unions 'cause if it wasn't for union the- and they're trying to do it right now, they're trying to starve you into submission right now, those big shots. They're trying to destroy the unions down in the States there. They try to- they try to detr-- destroy it down in Sudbury, that last outfit that bought it.

So we can't travel, but yes we took ah the kids to the States like about maybe seven times. I brought them twice to New-York-City and then of-course, we lived in Schenectady and went there about five times with them. And ah no, I never got out to the west other than out to Thunder-Bay-

Interviewer: So overall, no regrets about spending your life here, great place to grow up in (inc)? Speaker: Well, it took me a while, I always hoped I'd go back to the States for- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: For quite a few years- yes.

We-- this was the first- some of the first skidoo racing- was- this was one of the first places that they had actual money prizes for skidoo and my mean- and I-mean, they came from all over place. They came from the States. They came from all over the place-

He ran his own show. I re-- I-- last week I was watching Alan-Thicke do an interview with a guy in the States, in California, and he spoke about our T-V station, and how he remembers coming home to visit ...

You-know, took her- we went to Wonderland a couple times or- and but you-know apart from that- that- noth-- nothing to the States or overseas or-anything.

He was hiding it you-know? Because you could- you could buy things much more cheaply in the States. Some kind of- whatever tool it was he wanted.

I got relatives down in Toronto I don't know about. I got relatives down in Windsor I still don't know about. And I got relative-- relatives in the States I've never even seen or heard about so I'm not a really family-ties kind-of guy 'cause ah most of my family just lives so far away that it's just impractical to see them all the time, you-know ...

Worked in mines over in the States before that and all over- his mother went to the States and so he was over there for a while I-guess. He wasn't very young when they got married so-

Dad was an under- underground worker at the mine (inc). ... In Cobalt, and Timmins and everywhere. Even in the States before we (inc) (laughs) existed.

Yeah and he did everything over there pretty well. If anything, he mixed it- mixed the stuff and (inc) sent Danny to ah the States some place on a fir-- course on this- and doing these kind of things. And he never did it.

He's in Toronto, on Avenue-Road and he's ah keeping well, but I think he's lonely um because his daughter is in Manitoulin-Island. He's got two sons down in the States and he hasn't anybody else you-know? So I think he's kind of lonely there.

People just abandoned- but price of gold was really low. I d-- I don't know what it was and ah- ah, it's a different story. But you- you got to realize that in- in the States in some areas of k-- you-know, Canada they're like- there- there was a huge recession-

Um (sighs) the- the housing market- this is my understanding, when the housing market crashed in the States like take ah- Grants up here out in Englehart, you must've went by it, it's actually Georgia-Pacific now.

Another chap too that's ah one of the younger fellas, he didn't go or get overseas but he was an American and- and ah ah when the Korean-War started, he didn't go back to the States. When the Korean-War started, he had no service in the American army so he was drafted. And he was killed in Korea.