And- and it was just basically a driving trip. We just wanted to go down and see the west-coast of the States and that was about a six-week tour, that one. From Timmins all the way across Canada. To Vancouver, Victoria down the west-coast to L-A. And then we came back basically the same route.

Interviewer: Can you describe your ah trips to other places a little? Speaker: Wa-- well, i-- f-- I've been to the States several times. Ah my brother and I are avid sports fans, so we di-- we've done several, several ah sports- little trips.

Interviewer: Anywhere you'd like to travel? Anywhere you'd like to go and you can just stay? Speaker: Ah travel, just ah like I said Europe and- and ah Ireland for sure. Um I like going into the States but I also like staying in Canada. So I'd like to travel Canada more with the family and- s-- so we could all see it.

Ah as a kid, I travelled. I've been to England and France and ah down through the States b-- and Quebec. But I'd never been to Western-Canada 'til I started traveling for work.

And then, for work, I've travelled to the west-coast, and I've travelled to- to Northwestern-Ontario, and down through to ah Nevada and through the States, but haven't been any further than that.

Ah I can still travel to Toronto and go see the big shows, I can still travel to the States and see the big shows. So there's nothing stopping me from that. Ah flights- might be nice to have a flight that was reasonable.

Yeah, New-Zealand and Australia leaps and bounds ahead of us. Um, the States st-- slowly starting in the school system which is really- really, really cool too as well like that is where is should be.

Oh yeah, we've been to a lot of places in the States, like um, Florida.

Interviewer: Did you get a chance to travel when you were growing up? Speaker: Um, back and forth to Sudbury to visit Dora and Toronto couple of times, North-Bay, Nova-Scotia, been to the Sioux. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: Ah, been to the States. Interviewer: Oh yeah? Where? Speaker: Just like Sioux, Michigan.

Speaker: And so I had no- no debts when I graduated. Interviewer: Great! Speaker: And ah when I look at today you-know how- Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: How ah- Interviewer: It's a lot- lot more expensive. Speaker: Yeah and how kids- now I read like in the States the ah- it's like when by the time they get out of university they- they got a mortgage (laughs). It's not a house.

And his uncle's were- two of his uncle's were killed in the mafia in the States.

Interviewer: Do they all say the same thing, like do most people plan to stay or at least come back? Speaker: Ah, well some people want to go and like go to the States and- ... And they want to go like far away and then some people don't even want to go to school, they just want to start working for the town and-

My parents would rent a tent-trailer, we never owned one and we'd go, um- we'd go two weeks every year and sometimes we'd take friends, like a friend with us- ... And so we would go down like though Southern-Ontario or into the States and- ... Camping different places, yeah.

So- and I used to go to obedience trials with them so we'd go like- we'd travel all over Ontario with that. Actually I travelled down into the States to do- so my parents knew- okay different culture totally from now too.

Anyway, so my parents- so they offered to my parents to take me to the States to travel through the States on two different years. I'm like thirteen, fourteen years old-

So my parents are sending me off to the States. So total Northern Ontario culture like everybody's your friend- ... And so they send me off to the States for like two weeks to go and train with. It was actually one of the top dog trainers in the United-States, but- so it's really cool, but I think of it now as a mom, I would never do that like just to this- ... Random strangers.

Speaker: "Remember (inc) ice-cream the best in northern Ontario," 'Cause we had have twelve and fourteen percent fat in it you-know. ... Instead of this ten percent stuff you have down- but people come from all over. ... People from the States.

Speaker: Sorry, I'm going to get a stuffy nose, I need, um, pants. Interviewer: I know. Speaker: Because they fit better in the States because they have bigger waistlines (laughs).

And then the big ah in North-Temiskaming, just across the border here in Quebec, there's a big truck rodeo in August and that brings people from all over too. The States and all over and- yeah so there's a lot of people getting to know.

Interviewer: Sounds like you did a great job. Speaker: It ah- and people- people from- they came from right across Canada to come to it. Down in the States. Interviewer: All people that had been- grown up here or? Speaker: Yeah they lived here. And so they came back for it.