T-V, play cards, we play an awful lot of cards, Rob and I. I-mean ah I- I like- w-- we play ah cribbage sometime, but we have another game a couple down the states taught us, and ah we play that a lot and we call it oh different names. But um and then we go out in the car and we do out shopping and-that.

Interviewer: It was really neat actually. Speaker: And where's that? Interviewer: Um down in the states. Speaker: Where in The-States? Interviewer: Ah New-York-State.

My father was born and raised in Belleville. My mother was born in England and came to Canada as a very young woman to work. She- her parents were dead and um she just- she and her sister came to Canada and her sister later went to the-States so and she met my father and they were married.

Interviewer: With distribution right across Canada and into the States? Speaker: Yes, all across Canada; no, not in the States just all across Canada.

But he goes to Toronto quite often and he goes to different conventions. They were down to ah mm I forget what part of The-States there not long ago the convention, still does quite a bit of stuff in The-States. And I have some nice pictures out there too and one of them Montreal, where he took Trevor with him and um his wife and shows Trevor as a getting an autograph, him and Rocket-Richard.

Yeah. Um my one friend that I lived with for all four years is my friend that went to the States because there wasn't a lot of jobs up here when we graduated so she's in North-Carolina.

I went- well yes I went to basketball camps. I went to one in The-States that was ah run by Leo-Revins, who played in the N-B-A. And we had all these you-know super high-quality coaches there which was awesome.

Speaker: Ah- ah Windsor seemed very influenced by The-States, like everyone- Detroit was the big thing and Windsor was always just beside Detroit and ah- Interviewer: How did that reflect in the people then? Speaker: Uh, (...) well they always sort-of, it seemed to be the thing to go to Detroit and there wasn't as much sort-of pride ...

Interviewer: Um, did most of the people from there end up going to U-of-T or- Speaker: I'd say about twenty-five. Ah, well, about another twenty-five went to the-States like the Ivy-Leagues ah- Interviewer: Oh okay. Twenty-five people or twenty-five percent? Speaker: Well, it was a hundred-person class so like- both. Ah yeah, the rest went to like Western or Cambridge or-whatever-else.

Interviewer: ... I was living in New-York-State when it- when it happened, so it's a bit different. Speaker: Oh wow yeah. Yeah, it was a bit dour, but ah, it- just like kind-of like sympathy for the-States that is so rare here, just sort-of came out in full force. Interviewer: Was in genuine? Speaker: I-think-so. Interviewer: Wow, weird. Speaker: Yeah, but then afterwards we got a bit scary by the- scared by the-States and their kind-of like- just taking their- that nationalism to a whole 'nother level, like the flag on every house and- it was a bit scary.

Um, I've basically toured the-States dancing. That isn't really that exciting 'cause I was working. Um, I've been in New-York a few times, for dance.

... he was an American and ah during the revolution you were either- you either kept your mouth shut and tried stayed neutral or you were a rebel or you were a loyalist and he became a loyalist and was quite a notorious- like he's well-known in The-States, if you go down around the area around Albany, he's ah- not a legend but kind-of the villain. Um, but they know h-- they seem to know more about him there then they did here.

It- just at- especially at that time there was nothing available so- you-know teachers were desperate to have anything that illustrated- and it's funny- um T-V-O and some outfit in Quebec and some place down in The-States actually bought footage from it- just to illustrate in their own films that they were doing- so it was like- a- a stock-footage ah source as well.

... oh he had some theory that it- there was another place in The-States that was founded by somebody from Belleville, and I think it's Belleville, Michigan or-something-like-that. And they said holy-wha too.

Yeah I do ah- yeah I do a lot of ah- ah- ah I got into a lot of hiking and camping and ah mountaineering and- and I- I do a lot of ah mountain climbing down in The-States. Uh this year I didn't do any in the winter but ah I generally try to get some done in the winter and summer and-things.

Interviewer: So um, why do you think then people would leave Belleville if they- either doctors or just people who (inc) Speaker: Well you- you-know we've been lucky that we haven't lost too many doctors but a lot of doctors will go down to The-States where they've got ma-- major incentives- major cash when- incentives and-things. Once we have doctors here we- we don't offer a- ah retention program at or- we haven't before.

Interviewer: Did you motorcycle a lot? Did you travel that way as well? Speaker: Yes. We went to the east coast two or three times. Went down into The-States, not too far down into The-States. We went to Newfoundland on a motorcycle and-that. Yeah we traveled every- every summer.

Ah well my mother was from here. She lived off of one-twenty-one over there on a farm and my dad lived in- well origina-- he was born in Burnt-River but he lived in Kinmount and here too. And then they went to The-States and he worked in um, I think it was General-Electric over there and then ah I was born and then they come back here.

... ah my mom came home for them to be born in Canada and ah- and then ah but she didn't come home when I was born. So that's how come I was born in The-States. Yeah.

Interviewer: Have you ever noticed um- one of the things we're- we're looking at is kind-of like Burnt-River slang maybe, or terms that you've only heard here or that people use in town? Speaker: No I don't think so, but when I phone my cousin in The-States ah- they cou-- they said, "Well ah- we can tell- we know who it is because ah by the- the way I talk."