There is a New Sweden, but I'm not sure if it's in New Brunswick or if it's like just in Maine, just south. She's about ah, maybe half an hour, fourty-five minutes from the States, from Maine. So they're- they're about- Moncton and where she's from is probably three of four hours apart, but she w-- she went to school in Fredericton, and then she moved.

... by that point I had finished my masters so I thought, "P-H-D" and I thought, "Why not complete the three degrees anyway?" and I wanted to do a P-H-D so um basically I would have gone to the States if I had a more favorable response from them. I emailed some profs there.

I like the States cause people are more...fucked-up, like they 're- they're much more like, out there.

... and a month later I heard from someone ah that she's moving to The-States. She fell in love with one of her classmates. She's moving to Oregon um. Just weird scene.

Like I-don-'t- know, I'm just thinking 'cause like when I think of stuff as far like music and culture or like ah like trends and-stuff-like-that, I always think of like I-don-'t-know the- States and L-A and New-York and-stuff-like-that. And it's like that where you-know how like bands go over there to get like famous and-stuff-like-that?

Something that's popular in, in Hong-Kong will be popular in like London will be popular in the-States. Like it 'll- ... Like it 'll just- maybe not at the same time but everybody like kind-of influences each other?

Interviewer: Yeah. But that's what I think is so true what you say of like how America's and pop-culture-America is so influential right? You-know-what-I- mean? Like how Speaker: Yeah. Yeah but then it's weird 'cause when you think of The-States versus like Canada as far as to multiculturalism and-stuff-like-that it's like they kin- - states c--tr--they- they tend to keep stuff separate, I-don-'t-know like it just like seems like a different, a different thing going on there ...

... like so after my four years of University, I 'll go into law-school and uh, and then yeah- I hope to into Columbia law-school, but I 'll move to the States for that. And uh yeah, continue working in the States as well.

Speaker: I like Florida. Not to live in. I-don-t-know I don't think I could live in the States it's different. Interviewer: What do you notice the big d-- what are the big- what are the biggest differences that you notice? Speaker: Um people in America aren't exactly friendly. Like no one will really go out of their way to I-don-t-know say, "Hi," I guess.

Well the fact that we had them is the fact that they just- they didn't decide to help the States or else our boys would be there now in Iraq. Yeah.

Interviewer: Yeah, where have you guys been? Speaker: Um, we 've been to um, the States. Interviewer: Where? Speaker: Washington, New-York, um we drove to um Quebec-City and Montreal for a few days. Yeah, so that- it was pretty fun.

Speaker: ... the orchestras used to come to Toronto. They'd come to the Palais-Royale, they'd come to the bigger places. Um, can't think of any of them. Interviewer: Were they like, local groups, or would they tour around from the States and stuff or-? Speaker: Once-in-a-while you'd get big bands from the States. You'd get um- I'm trying to think of their names.

Speaker: No we didn't see too- there weren't that many black people. ... But um, to- but it wasn't 'til they started to come from the States and from Ireland, from the islands- mostly the islands. Interviewer: And that happened in the fifties? Speaker: Well, forties, fifties, I'm not too sure about that.

... no, I don't think Can-- Can-- a lot of Canadians went to the States to work because they 're- the pay seemed to be better there, and as I told you they went- you had to go to England to, to for, to be a nurse sometimes you'd get a certificate there or um for university ...

Speaker: Yeah, I'm heading off to college actually in a week. I leave a week tomorrow. Going down to the States to Chicago. A school called Trinity-Christian-College. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited about that.

That was definite life- altering experience in terms of it just made me grow up, made kind-of get a bit of a travelling-bug. Definitely, yeah. Opens your eyes a little bit to what's outside of North-America, Canada, the-States, you-know that whole- you-know Europe's just- we don't think of it as all that different but the way that they think and- is definitely different.

And then I would say the third would be the um, that month last, last summer with - at the, the college in the-States with all those guys from my church. So I would say- those are probably the three most life-altering events.

Like, you-know Toronto's got it's areas that aren't nice but it's nice areas are really nice compared to that of Hamilton and things like that. Yeah, um, what other cities have I visited? Um, in the-States I 've visited a couple cities. Not spent a lot of time to really get an accurate view of them in my opinion.

... Canada's a great country and I'd love to live in Canada. Um, you-know Europe's great too and it'd be nice to- I don't know if I'd want to settle there though. And that kind-of-idea. I'm going to school in the-States but I'm definitely planning on coming back to Canada.

I'd like to travel. From what I 've heard, master's programs in Canada are much better and more renowned than actually the master's programs in The-States, in terms of art um. So I don't know. I was thinking possibly Montreal. I would go to Concordia. They have good arts program.