Interviewer: ... did anyone try to start a kibbutz in say America or Europe or was it something that was happening in Israel? Speaker 2: you know, people have tried, but ah not with a lot of success Interviewer: mm-mm Speaker: you hear of small collectives, mostly young people getting together and trying this in the States a lot and there were some here too, especially in the sixties ... there were ah a couple there in the- in the U-S, in the mountains near Montreal, um, what's the name of the town, the baseball hall-of-fame town?

Yes and ah, you could go over there and ride it for a nickel, you-know for quite a while. Ah, and then it went, I think somebody in the States bought it, and ah, it was a lovely merry-go-round. We all hated to see it go.

Speaker: But what ha-- what bothered me was there were SARS cases all over the place, but we were the only ones that was labeled. They had them in New-York they had them in down the States, they had them down in Europe, all over Europe, but we were Interviewer: China and Toronto. Speaker: Exactly. Because, but Vancouver's got a bigger Chinese population then Toronto does. And they had it there. But you never heard a thing about it.

Interviewer: I didn't know that. But I remember that when that happened that- I was still in B-C and they were talking about taking all the hydro-power that we have from the Fraser-River and stuff-like-that. Speaker: To use it in the States? Interviewer: Yeah.

Um, I have some family that lives in New-York and I have family that lives in um, Tennessee but not- we don't visit them just because it's too far. And I don't like the-States so- ... But we do talk on the phone sometimes.

... Adrian- I mean he's Scottish by- by ancestry I guess you could say, but he- he was born in Nova-Scotia and he lived- 'cause his Mom is from New-Jersey. So he's got the dual citizenship with the States. So we 've applied for citizenship for the States for her, and for Ireland and I mean she was born here, so, that 'll be something that hopefully will help her 'cause I mean, his family is so- like such travellers and my family are that ...

No, it was with him, ah- yeah, it was with the G-Three-band but it was with him, this young guy from ah G-I-Key, from the States, and a-

If I have a chance to get away I have to get out of the city for a while and kind-of recuperate and come back in. I haven't travelled to the-States much.

Interviewer: So nine-eleven hasn't really affected your travelling? Speaker: Well it- although I didn't travel much to the-States, at- at this point I'm even less inclined to do so. Like I- um I-mean I 'll go down and see my- my brother, my sister but it's just not something I 've gotten around to doing. Would nine-eleven affect that, probably.

Um, draft-dodgers used to come up from the-States during the Vietnam-War, and when I used to skip school- I wasn't terribly, but I- I did used to skip school.

It was like a- I'm seeing smoke in the tower you-know and- and the blurb and the voice but I'm- it's foreign. It 's- I didn't understand the picture and I knew it was in the-States so I'm thinking, "Okay a plane crashed into a building this is terrible but- (inc) but-"

Speaker: Um, but I will tell you- no was there a moment- oh when we were at the airport- was it in the-States? Interviewer: The heightened security is what it makes it (inc) to me and you-know why can't I take my tweezers on the plane. I can't kill anyone with tweezers. Speaker: Oh you never know, we girls have our ways!

Like here for some reason and it's maybe because my kids are so plugged-in to the hip-hop culture, um when someone says something and they're registering disbelief or surprise, they say "Shut-up." When that word is used, in the States for example, they think you're being rude and disrespectful. But I do too think it's rude, but that's what it means here.

Speaker: They say um- they have a word when- when they- when we say "pardon" when we don't understand something or we haven't heard it, they say um- there's an-- there's another one they use for "pardon". "Pardon." Um, instead of pardon, there's one- Interviewer: "Come again" or- Speaker: "Come again" they say. In the States, they say "What happened?"

Interviewer: And uh, did you ever do any traveling with your family, outside of- in Canada? Speaker: Um, not too much no, we were uh, uh pretty close to home, the uh,uh- I did uh, more traveling later on went down through the States and out to Vancouver, uh twice or three times, and we went to England several- you-know England, Ireland, Scotland, the-British-Isles, several times, excuse me, I'm going to take a drink.

Interviewer: And when you went down through the States you said- which- where did you go? Speaker: We went- we went through the States, right down through uh, uh, where the Western, you- know the- all the mountains and the hills and all that, and went down to the Southern States and back up, we- we left- we left here-

... a lot of people don't like Americans, but we do and they- they actually- they- you 've got to admit that they keep Canada from being taken over by some foreign country. ... See because the foreign countries are afraid to come in here because the- they know the States will you- know? yeah. right. Come to our aid.

So we got a name. We called it T-N-T, Toronto-Negro-Trumpeters and within- within a month-and-a-half, we were playing parades and drilling and went on tour to the States, Saratoga-Springs, and Utica, and Buffalo and won all kinds of awards and yeah, that's how we started.

Speaker: He got murdered by his girl. And then they brought back Freddy-Hubbard. Interviewer: Murdered here? Speaker: No, in the States. She shot him in a club.

Interviewer: I think all-in-all New-York, for the exception of some nice cities they have throughout it, there's a lot of scuzzy places in- Speaker: In the States as a whole but yeah New-York for sure, absolutely, I mean we are so lucky. People don't get it though. I don't think.