Speaker: And today the kits are plastic and they just break them apart type-of-thing but- no it's different now, it's a little- it's a little harder now too. Interviewer: Oh. I wouldn't have guessed that. Speaker: No I-think it was harder in them days than it is now. Interviewer: Mm-hm. So when you were growing up you were building airplanes and playing s-- football.

Speaker: I'm a people person though, anyway. Interviewer: (inc) eh? Speaker: Yeah, but I'm honestly, them days, um, we were more mature than they are now- Interviewer 1: Yeah. Interviewer 2: Really? Interviewer 1: Probably (laughs). Speaker: Oh yeah like the maturity level and responsibility level of ah, children now a days are not the same-

Yeah, he's- anyways, we were- I was mixing and he got mad because he wanted to mix for Alan. I said "No, it's my equipment, I'm mixing." So we got a little tiff and we had to get Alan to come and settle it for us, so. I won. I- I got to mix for him. Todd ran away pouting.

Interviewer: ...everybody in town ah so sorry- in Swastika knew each other and then was there any- any fights, any disagreements or just- Speaker: Oh well same as always. Just little tiffs and-thing-like-that.

Interviewer: When you have your own business it's often like that isn't it? Speaker: Yeah, you- close to the till

Because- because he- he does all the dirty work around here, but at the end of the day, he has just as much money as you guys got in the till."

Like you-know, not everywhere- like Sudbury is pretty good, it's like Kirkland too I find. ... Just ah, like I said, everything's so close, like Timmy's is there, like two minutes for me like I take the dog for a walk, we're there, eh? Um, complex everything. Like ah, and the beach, close, everything. I just ah- I just find the people are friendly in Kirkland.

Well my father used to take tin type pictures. The old days, they were tin type. They were um- the man would stand on the street and he'd have a um a cover over his head and he would snap a picture and immediately develop it and um he- my father used to do it.

With this great big shoulder unit right. I think we were the first ones in town to have a video camera. So he used to traipse this thing around, carry it. So here we are at Esker-Park, ah, I am thirteen, my sister's fourteen, my younger brother's eleven and my dad's taking video...

... is built on a- on a mining claim ah, as parcel- a parcel of a mining claim and I happen to look on the- at the book ah, the three miles of gold and ah, it was staked, the- the land was staked. January the eighth, nineteen-twelve. So somebody tramped through this- this part of the- the- the town before it was ever a town ah, ah, almost a hundred years ago or a hun-- so-

Speaker: Take that red book there and- and ah, that's- that's w-- the year I graduated from- Interviewer: Oh my gosh. Speaker: (Laughs) And that's the school, eh? So you can see that it was a tremendously, but- Interviewer: Still up. Speaker: No it isn't- Interviewer: Oh no I-mean in that picture it's nice.

Speaker: "Ice-fishing? How do you do that?" "I know we just troll a little." So he says, "Okay okay. So he got one of the guy- Paul-Malone, who used to be- Paul? I think it was Paul, one of the boys from Kirkland here. Was his cartoonist for one of his books he wrote, he said ah- he drew a cartoon of us out in our boat, our regular water-boat on top of the ice. Interviewer: Trolling. Speaker: "Head for shore I think we caught enough" it said the caption above it.

Ah I haven't seen him in a while. I seen him like once one night. Was like- maybe like a couple months ago. I seen my friend truck-fuck him in the head with a skateboard.

Speaker: Well pretty close. I haven't stole anything but ah- anyways it was a- it was all fun and games. Interviewer: What happened after that then? Speaker: Well I got turfed out as chairman of the Ontario-Northland-Railway. You-know, needless to say and the ah- the boss ah Ben-Dumars called me in and he said, "Elliot," he says, "You-know, for being an honest-" This is the words exact words, "For being honest and forthright, I'm going to have to ask for your resignation as chairman of the Ontario-Northland-Railway."

So you-know (laughs), the littler girls would be you-know, I can't remember if we were apes or actually humans but they would do like really weird things like make us hang from a tree and whip us with a twitch (laughs) like really weird…

Speaker: But I-mean they didn't do anything really wrong except for whip us (laughs) with twitches. Interviewer: What's a twitch? Speaker: A really thin branch off a tree, like really thin.

No, no it's not a social type-thing, like ah you-know.

And ah, it was a- a ho-- a long low ah bungalow type-thing.

Yeah, I-don't-know- I-don't-know, basically it's just like- like I-don't-know, we don't know enough in K-L either to have like you-know two rows just everywhere and like it's one's just like growing up row and the other one's staying in what you're doing, in the time type-thing you-know?

Ah basically when I was getting out of high-school, I was like you-know trying to find myself, I had applied for drum-school and been accepted and then I was unsure if I want to be that or do something a little bit more by the books, you-know, and ah ah here we go with the life in K-L type-thing-