Speaker: A good Bianca story! I haven't known her that long! She's a great gal. And look at her the way she goes at her age. Interviewer: Oh yeah it's impressive. Speaker: It's very impressive. Yes. Very friendly lady. I like Bianca.

The traditional garb for choirs and the Anglican-church are black cassocks and white surplices, with mortar boards for the ladies.

I don't think that, that's even done, I mean I think the thing has gone by the board.

But they- that thing's gone by the board today; nobody wants milk like that.

You-see, the Germans were within twenty-four miles of Paris coming on. Prince-Rupert, Prince-Rupert's-Bavarian army, you-know, he was the legal heir to the British throne too you-know, from a-way back, the Stuart-kings, Prince-Rupert and my golly our forefathers used to fight for his forefathers on his side when they were kings you see over in England, the Stuart-Kings.

By-gee, we thought it was crazy in a way you-know but by-golly it paid off.

Oh, I would say it would be at least that long anyway and then there was the frame and it was...oh by-golly, I think I could draw it quicker than I could tell you.

We've been together for maybe forty-seven- oh-golly, it would be forty-seven years, forty-eight years.

Oh golly no. Do you think some- some teens are happy?

Oh golly you know where was fun was crossing- we used to have a bridge the- the foot bridge bounced.

Oh, golly! Thirteen years? About thirteen years mm-hm.

They were all Ben-Court stores, Mary-Anne's and the Georgia-Shop, and Macintoshes and ah, Bud-Harrington w-- Tots-and-Teens, ah oh golly, there was just abundance of shopping downtown.

Oh golly um Europe, several times. Love it.

Interviewer: So how many years would it take you to get a- Speaker: Well it would take you, the same as it does now, three years for a general Arts degree, four years for an Honours degree, plus one year at a college-of-Ed or if you taught elementary school, ah grade-thirteen and one year at normal school. Now grade-thirteen gave you a better teaching certificate for elementary purposes than if you only completed grade-twelve. It was called a first-class certificate. If you ah just had grade twelve and went to normal school for a year then you were on what was called a second-class certificate.

... see we had three divisions in the school if-you-like. There was the academic, the commercial and the technical students. Technical and commercial ended at ah grade-twelve. The other students could graduate at twelve but if they wanted to go on to university, they usually continued on to grade-thirteen academic.

Interviewer: Which system do you prefer? Speaker: I prefer the one where there is some rigidity. Where there is some standard. Interviewer: Did you have the same set-up with exams and-things-like-that? Speaker: We had exams at Christmas, Easter and June and of-course there were departmentals to be tried in grade-thirteen which were standardized exams tried by the whole province, marked in Toronto, and ah you either succeeded or failed ah on those exams. Term work may have played a small part in your mark at Christmas and Easter but it had no part in the departmental exam.

I went to high-school in Colbourne, Ontario. My father and mother, at that time living in the village of Smith-Field just west of Brighton. I took the senior matriculation or now known as grade thirteen in the Napanee-Collegiate. My father at that time was in Napanee, so when I came back as Judge in nineteen-forty-six.

I was making my little speech in grade twelve once and he got up and said, "Miss-Miles, I am inviting you to my graduation party." We he was in grade thirteen all through medicine, sure enough I had been invited to his graduation party, whose names I can not recollect just now. He is a doctor.

Now out here is you're smart enough you can fiddle around so that you get all your subjects in in belong to grades nine and ten. Now all a grade thirteen certificate means, it is a, it's a statement that you put in five years in school that's all it is. Not allowed to say it to say that he's a devil in classrooms, he skips classes and things like that, you're not to say one word ...

... he was principal of one of the other schools and he allowed that girl who was the first Indian to get to grade thirteen not only come top...I can't remember when I was teaching in Chatham, the first Negro boy came to school into high-school and the principal said, at a school meeting, he said, "I want you to remember it's not just a boy, he represents the hopes ...