Speaker: ... I remember dad talking about they used to go through there with the horses ways when they drew wood down, but- ... Ah, it was a- that was like a winter road. Interviewer: Okay. And that would be like Crown land or something? Speaker: No, I don't think it was Crown land, it was- in those days they had winter roads across- that was just a kind of a common thing, like, they'd make a winter road through your place and that was just the shortest, best route to (inc) ...

The snow is there and then- then you would have- well they referred to them as a- as a winter road. ... And even in the logging industry that was ah in- in the winter they made the winter roads out of snow. ... And, so it would fill everything in, freeze, and then we're good to go.

Most of the people only came down in the summer. I think some of them did winterize it a bit and stayed through- through the year. And then in the thirties, somewhere in the thirties, the city said, "We 're- we 're going to make it a park."

Ah but we used to go up and stay overnight and all that at the cottage, but we don't anymore 'cause you have to pack all the stuff up and do that you-know. But our cottage is winterized, we probably could stay if we had to but we've never had really any desire to.

Um oh I think it has decreased but it- it's because- I think it's because of um like the kids have got married and moved away, they're moving back and um I think- and a lot of- of people from the city are moving in like that have had cottages. They've winterized them and- yeah.

Today they can't do that. All the- all the tourist-operators now have winterized cabins to accommodate cross-country skiing, the ski-dooers because they got the ski-doo trails across Canada now, but they're suffering. Yeah.

So um, we ended up making the porch into Kristen's room but we knew we had to leave before winter 'cause the porch wasn't winterized. So ah, the landlord- I tried to get someone else to take over the house, but ah the landlord kept refusing the people that I was getting. So we had to move anyways. We ended up getting another house. So the landlord charged me another month.

So it became fully winterized and- and ah their son bought the- bought the family house- kind-of-thing, down on Cashag down here so-

No we bought that from my great uncle as a place to- to have a place to come to at the lake and- and there's three lots, one of which I have and so I- I basically kind of ah, set up shop there and winterized the place and- and lived there and started finding jobs and ah, working out and doing this-and-that and- and the first thing...

You had to clear so much land and s-- plant so much wheat, so much potatoes, so much corn. And you had to build a- a cabin to live in. Winterized. That was the two things that they were- had to have done then before they would approve it.

Interviewer: Yeah. If it's complete wood that hasn't been split it would be a log fence. Speaker: Mm-hm. That's right. That's right, mm-hm. Interviewer: Yeah. Did you use wire for fences much? Speaker: Wire? Oh not too much. No, we did an odd fire wence (: wire fence) but not too many. Interviewer: No. The wood was cheaper I guess in those days. Speaker: Oh we had the wood of our own you see.

Interviewer: Did you use the wire though that had s-- little spikes on it? Speaker: That was the- what do you call that now? They wouldn't- the cows wouldn't go where there was the- Interviewer: That's right. What- what was the name of that? Speaker: I forget the name of that. Wire fence? I know what you mean. Interviewer: It seems to me it begins with a B. Speaker: The- they were qu-- b-- wire crossed in pieces. A section. Interviewer: Well I'm talking about the wire and then they have an extra little sharp piece of wire twisted around so it stuck out. ... Something like a barbed wire fence. Speaker: Barbed wire fence. Like I say, I thought it was- Interviewer: Is that right? What was that? Speaker: I think so. A barbed wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Mm-hm.

Interviewer: But if a fence was made of wire that had spiky sharp piece of it ah- at intervals. Speaker: Well- Interviewer: So that if anything rubbed against it, it would scratch them. Speaker: Oh, that would- Interviewer: To keep people and animals- Speaker: That would- that would be a barbed-wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Yes. Interviewer: That's a- a different sort of fence. Speaker: Barbed-wire fence. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Well- well there'd be lightening and- and lightening was very dangerous, uh, sometimes lightening would strike trees, strike your house or a barn, burn out a- and if- if cattle were close to a wire fence sometimes they were electrocuted. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Did that seem to happen more uh, in early days than it does now? Speaker: W-- more now because- Interviewer: More now. Speaker: More now because at one time, see there's more- more wire fences now- Interviewer: Mm-hm.

Speaker: Oh, they were log fences, a lot of log fences. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Any other kinds? Speaker: And um, we had some wire fences. The wire fences were usually between the farms, separating two farms. Interviewer: Oh, I see. Speaker: But, if we wanted to separate fields, sometimes it was uh- was it long fences we called them, or what was that we called them? I can't just think. There'd be cedar poles, you-know?

Speaker: Or put in fencing material, and they'd go fencing. The auger for boring the post-holes, the s-- wire, a stretch of the wire itself. The hammers and everything-like-that. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Mm-hm. What ah, what kind of wire fences would these be that you're thinking of? Speaker: Ah well there was the ah barbed-wire fences, we had an ah- an- all the- of the ah- our farm was a corner lot that was roads on both sides, and we had wire fencing and on the left, but then um ah the other was split um poles, and they called it railed-fence.

Speaker: Well my parents- well, yeah, exactly. When my parents took us out of school for the week to take us on this vacation, so they figured they get some education in it a little bit and- yeah, it was really cool. I liked how- to see- like how their- their barbed wire fences wer-- were they just ah, break pieces of glass and then cement it on-top of the cement walls- Interviewer: Really? Speaker: So it was like broken pieces of glass sticking up. I thought that was really cool.

I can remember that's where I learned to swim (laughs). And I remember of the pigs being up on the- there was a wire fence, you-know, above that (laughs). And I remember the pigs being in the other end and we were (laughs) the dam- right at the dam where it was deeper (laughs). Can you imagine that? And the cattle at the top of the hill and urine going down there.

Interviewer: So what I was asking was when you go to fed chickens, when they're out in the yard, do you- Speaker: They're n-- Interviewer: Have to call them to fed them? Speaker: Oh no. We had a little yard, sc-- you-know, chicken wire fence around it. But when they were to be fed in the pen, they were right there.

He just sa-- remembers seeing a glow of this headlight obviously. The other train coming around this rock cut. Anyway, they hit, that's all he remembered. He woke up in a fence. It catapulted him right out of the thing and right out of the rec really and into a wire fence. So he had a sore back and a few sprains but he walked away from it. The rest were all killed.