But it had- like, the chimney had been rebuilt. We had a- had a- had the chimneys rebuilt. Ah, not that awfully long before that but I didn't trust them, so.

Some of the people you're going to interview here were in that orchestra. Janet over there right now, she was in the same orchestra. We had an awfully good principal who really did organize things. So even if we never did continue with our instruments, we certainly were exposed to music.

Interviewer: Were you ever good enough to ah- to think about pursuing it? Speaker: No, no. None of us were that good on that team. Interviewer: No? Speaker: No, not really. We had an awfully good coach, he'd been a quarterback for the ah London-Mustangs. Yeah, three or four years quarterback and that was a top team, Mustangs used to beat- beat up on the- on the ah Varsity-Blues all the time.

But my dad loved to be with his kids, loved to be with his wife and would drive home, um, and get up- I remember it was just awfully hard to say good-bye to him. I found it very hard, ah, personally. He was- I was probably his little right-hand assistant.

... my next teacher she was um an excellent teacher um Molly-Cobain and ah so I think she helped- helped with the transition 'cause we were still- like, we were awfully young.

Interviewer: And apparently everywhere had a puddle too (laughs). I wonder how far you could get going from puddle to puddle. Speaker: You- you- well you could probably try but your skates would be awfully dull when you got to wherever you were going. But I remember this ditch um just- just up there, up the road which is now free of water in the- in the winter was a- you could skate.

Interviewer: Mm-hm. Ah do you know the names of- the name of any of the other pieces of the- of the harness? Speaker: Harness- there was a collar, and um- and ah, hames, the hames were attached to the- to the traces that hitched to the buggy. And then there was the back pad- but I don't know what that's called around. And then um- the tray- ah, no there was ah- another affair attached to the shafts, too.

And the snow was deep and the bank was deep and they couldn't pulley the horse, 'cause the horse big ton horse go to that, they just fall on their nose. So I said, "Somebody's going to get hurt," so I had saddles, so I took the back pad off the horse and put a saddle on and put the up top of the horse with the helmet on and there would be snow in the trees so you put the big orange bag over them and their arms out so the snow would fly off ...

Speaker: Oh, no, we- we had a back kitchen. Yes. Speaker: If you know what that is. Right next to the back kitchen we had- You had- Speaker: All summer but we moved when winter came.

Mm-hm. Um, you used to- you had to move your stove out to the- the back kitchen for the summer then? Speaker: No, we had- we had a stove in both places. Did you? Speaker: Mm-hm. Now these- Speaker: We had a stove out in the back kitchen to cook in.

Speaker: We depended on using the first part of the house and then, ah, for- we had the back kitchen. Mm-hm. Speaker: And the back kitchen is where I liked to spend all my time.

Interviewer: What did they call that? Speaker: That's the summer-kitchen and the back-kitchen. Yeah. And then some people had a house outside too, and they called it the milkhouse. And it was made of stone and they used to keep their milk and butter and-stuff in there.

But th-- I use the one at the back door here, where I built that veranda. There was a- a summer-kitchen or a back-kitchen, and then you went out and went down a few steps and the roof went ahead out you-see.

But we were- we had ice for- as long as I can remember we used to have an icebox out in the back kitchen and you had to have a drain that you could drain it outside somehow because the ice would melt and-

I said "Somebody's going to get hurt." "Oh no, don't worry about it, they can do it." (laughs) Five minutes, not even five minutes, somebody comes running through the back kitchen to the- 'cause the kitchen lead to the back of the- back of the store where there was a door you could go to the ba-- parking-lot.

They- they- they had a policeman that ah boarded with him before and he had a- the little back kitchen I-guess that we'd call it.

That usually was either the um the winter- or the spring kitchen or the whatever-it-is because the- sometimes it would be hotter they- they would cook in different parts of it because it would cooler to cook in certain parts. They'd have the back kitchen.

But he- he'd a dill-- or, back kitchen about the size of this thing here and he'd- lined with crocks. And he- dandelion wine and rhubarb wine and beet wine.

Ah, but in the summertime we always ate in the back kitchen and it didn't have a screen door on it.

The one other time Mother- my mother would make tea and biscuits before the game-warden, Ford-Roberts come in to check the fish out in the spring and m-- Mother would invite him in for tea and biscuits in the back-kitchen, in the k-- s-- summer kitchen with Gramp.