Speaker: Well, a lot of homes had like what they called a back-kitchen. They move out there. We had- now, some people didn't have a back-kitchen but- So could you describe what that was like? Back-kitchen. Speaker: Well, there was a wood- had to be wood-stove in the back-kitchen, too. It's was (inc) you had of cooking.

Kept the rest of the house cooler. If you moved to the back-kitchen. But I know everybody didn't have one.

Um, we had freezer. We had a big freezer, yeah out in the back kitchen at that time but I remember them talking about ah root cellars and-stuff.

Mo-- mostly us we had just- our dogs were part of the house like, you-know, not that they st-- didn't stay at the house at night but they stayed out in the back kitchen or-whatever.

Okay, and then- and then in the wintertime, Monday was generally wash day, dependant of course. Anyway if it's wash day, you put a fire on out in the back kitchen and you put the wash boiler on out there and then put four, five pails of water, whatever and heated out in- out in the back kitchen. And- and then ah, and your washing machine was inside and m-- and the l-- living part of the house and the ger-- the was generally room, room in there. Sometimes- sometimes not, you washed out in the back kitchen too.

Yeah, I called it packsack just now eh? Or a bag. Yeah, "Grab your bag, kids. Kids, grab your bag. Pa-- unpack your bags, kids." Yeah gr-- ah oh, we- and you know what? The kids need a new packsack. Back-sack- back-pack. Back-pack might be the back country you-know in the- back-pack, that's you-know when you do hiking in it. Yeah that's a- that's a word.

Interviewer: ... what would you call the bag that you put your books in to bring to school. Speaker: Well, in my days we didn't have a bag, we carried them under our arms. ... But, ah ah, backpack is what- the only thing I, ah- I've ever heard. Interviewer: Well, your- your children being the age they are now, have you ever heard your children refer, ah- 'cause I know their generation definitely would have had it- have you ever heard them refer to it as a packsack? Speaker: Ah, I've heard the word "packsack", we've always had that word here. ... Interviewer: 'Cause, I grew up talking- calling it that way and even to this day I still call it a packsack, so. Speaker: Yeah. Ah, packsack comes from ah, back in- in the days when ah, before the railway came in. ... And- and the p-- back, ah, b-- backsack, ah- that's how they moved all the material.

Speaker: Um, well I refer to it a-- as a backpack. ... Um, most of the people in my generation would usually call it that too. There are a few people that would call it a back-sack, or-something. Interviewer: A pack-sack? Speaker: Or yes, pack-sack right? yes I have heard back-sack. It's kind of funny. Interviewer: Wow, I haven't heard that one before. Speaker: No. That was the first time I've ever heard it, but really it's all mostly backpack.

Interviewer: What about like ah, for example Kelly's going to take her books to school. What would she put it in. Speaker: Oh yeah well that one- that one gets switched all the time. You've got a back-pack, a back-sack, and there's anoth-- Interviewer 2: Pack-sack. Speaker: And pack-sack. So sometimes because I take care of six other children you- you never know quite which one is going to come out of my mouth because I've used all three. Because it depends on what their family calls it.

Interviewer: What would you call that object? Speaker: A bag? A bag-pack? Interviewer: What? Speaker: A

And Scottish terminology, "wee bairn" and-things-such-as-that that, ah, I grew up, ah listening to. Ah, they never did- my grandmother particularly never did lose her accent completely. Even though she was here for many, many years. My grandfather lost it a bit. My father and ah uncles and- two uncles on that side never had the accent whatsoever.

When I- when I work- I don't w-- I want to be sober because what if someone comes to talk to me. I'm like- no I don't want to be all baked. I'm like "Hey, what's up man? (inc) What do you mean?" So I'm like- I go- so I go pick up trash, I do my work and then I come back like maybe for lunch I take like an hour lunch.

... she's talking to him but he's like yelling his answers. He's like this "No. No!" He's like putting his hand in her face going like "No, no!" And I'm like watching him and I'm like- at the time I'm drunk and also a bit baked so I'm like laughing my ass off.

... so it was me, Andy, maybe sometimes someone else would come up- ... So like yeah, we'd all just blaze and we just fucking get so fucking baked. Watch Youtube videos and such. Watch Heroes.

... come back like maybe for lunch I take like an hour lunch. So I go back to the shed where I hang out- oh, my laptop. Get everything ready, I just roll a little joint and I go out and back- have a little- smoke that. And then- and I'm baked, watch a movie and- ... Get paid for it (laughs). Well no like I- not like I'm sitting on my ass all day. I am doing shit but I take- I take breaks.

...- I was hanging out with some people that time and ah again, narcotics were involved in the situation but ah we're all hanging out and ah w-- ah 'cause Innis was with us and he was like out of his mind baked. And he was like- just we're all just chilling and-all-that-stuff. And like Matt was like- one of my friends Matt was like laughing and laughing and he's like "He's lol-ing, he's lol-ing!"

Interviewer: Now, would that all would be loose, right? Speaker: All loose yeah. Interviewer: Yeah, so it wasn't bales at that point. Speaker: Oh no, no such thing as balers in those earlier days, and so that went on for quite a few years um, by that time, I was getting away from the farm because I was um in high-school and ah.

And then when you're travelling around with your tractor and your wagon and your baler, the wheel drops in there-

And when you've a tractor and a wagon and baler, you've a lot of tires that's apt to go down that hole (laughs).

In around and at- or, about nineteen-fifty-four, people started buying round-balers and square-balers.