And- and the corner that- diagonal of the road there, and I don't know if it's true, how would I know, but Bart-Adams told me Scotch-Line had the- the best hockey team- or best ball team in- in Eastern-Ontario, and I know that from some of the facts that went on after ...

Speaker: ... offered x-amount of feet for a very small- all he wanted was some plots. Didn't want- didn't want money, didn't need money. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: Just wanted plots. I was the one that was pushing and shoving to get this to go ahead because as you know the Upper-Scotch-Line is filling up real fast. And I can't picture them doing people in the (laughs) alleyways in between. I don't think that's going to work.

And, ah, there is a- an- a number of letters in- behind that door there. It's just a cupboard. People that he corresponded with in United-States. Like, he set a herd of cattle up, I think, at Cornell-University in, ah- in the States. And he also set a herd of cattle up for a prison farm that was in Northern-Ontario and I can never think of the name.

Speaker: But- so you're talking eighteen-twenty. Somewhat after the first war in the States. Interviewer: Mm-hm.

Interviewer: Pilgrim fathers? Speaker: They were just down in the States apiece. ... And they were there for a few years, I-don't-know maybe five or ten or some- twelve or-something-like-that. And ah that's where some of the- the kids who were born but they moved to Canada that- right at that time.

Interviewer: Well there was the United-Empire-Loy-- and then there were the late Loyalists who came out through the land grants, yeah. Speaker: Apparently, there was a movement like that out in the Sta-- States and Saskatchewan and Alberta, Manitoba, three sta-- three provinces there. They moved up from the States around nineteen-hundred or one way or the other.

Ah and I think my dad he was in Toronto- once he went to Kingston on his honeymoon and ah, he was in the States once I think in his lifetime so that's, that was typical travel then. You just didn't have the- you didn't go off to Florida for ten days and then someplace else and someplace else.

Speaker: And my dad did what you call custom hatching of eggs for all kinds of other farmers because they didn't want to be bothered with the time or didn't have the building and the facilities with a brooder stove and the whole kit-and-caboodle, so- Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: And dad and mother r-- raised a lot of chickens. Everything from layers to meat birds that went to turkey fair day, to went to orders at the end of the year for Christmas, New-Years, what-have-you.

Interviewer: Oh yes, she went to go to the Bethel church, yeah. Speaker: It was more or less non-denominational in them days. Ah the Free-Methodists and the United-Church, and it was run under the guidance of the United-Church at that time. But it got- what would you call it? Run down. Not looked after and it fell over.

Interviewer: But before- before the cars, how long would it take to get to Perth? Speaker: Oh that was a two hour run I think, on a good horse. And I had some good ones in them days, horses. Swing out on the road, never stop trotting 'til you got home. Sometimes faster than others.

They had counts along the road here and there. The ah compressors for blowing rock, drilling rock. Them days it was on four wheels. Big outfit on four wheels. Now they can move them 'round with no problem at all but they have to have a good team of horses to handle them. Take them off one cut and onto the other and like that.

Speaker: All them days, ah- young folks seemed to come to dances, and b-- halls were full Saturday nights or Friday nights. Interviewer: Well how else would you meet people, you-know, if you didn't go to those dances, really? Speaker: An odd fight.

And we always had ball, had- had a big ball diamond and then they had a small ball diamond for the smaller children, and them days the outhouse, that was something too. It was the big building and it was divided. One side for the boys and the other for the girls.

Interviewer: So it was a very nice school for- Speaker: It was kind of more up to date school in them days, yes it was.

Took two team of horses like on them s-- or whatever ways, they opened them with the ah, plough- ah, home made ploughs I guess in them days.

So I liked to go out with dad then. (inc) But I had to know how to sew before I got married, and how to make a quilt, and- oh, all-that. And know how to- how to bake bread, you-know you had to do them things in them days. The know how of it anyway.

Interviewer: Would you order things from the Eaton's catalogue. The dining room's suite would that be-- have been ordered from the Eaton's catalogue? Speaker: Oh yes, it would have to be, in them days. Yes, yes.

Interviewer: What does it mean to make a box? Speaker: Well, you made a- a box and decorated it you-know and then you put in a nice lunch in it, you-know, all the goodies in them days, yeah. There was no bought bread, it was homemade bread, you-know? What you call a "good lunch" today t-- you wouldn't buy (laughs).

Interviewer: Did you play much sports in terms of- ah- everything now seems to be rol-- revolved around sports teams and baseball teams but ah- Speaker: Well there was not much sport in them days, wasn't- had a rink there- there at Maberly ah- Speaker 2: Had a good rink for a few years.

... you drove over the pile, pulled the bottom open, and then it all f-- as the horse went over, as you- it- it would unload it. There was no dumps them days, no hydraulic.