Interviewer: Was there punishment if you stepped out of line, kind-of-thing? Speaker: No. Nobody stepped out of line. Interviewer: No, they knew better. Speaker: Um, yeah. I did get the strap twice. ... Once unjustifiably. Only from Mr-H too. Oh no, there 's a man- a vice-principal named Mr-B. He administered the strap. Forgotten that. Interviewer: Do you remember what you did? ... Speaker: Talking. ... It was the guys behind me ...

Interviewer: Did you remember incidents of people getting punished in school with you-know the strap or something? Speaker: (laughs) I was never got the strap. Oh yes there was BT, he was a holy-terror. He was bad mouth, he was a holy-terror. Enough about him. Interviewer: Do you remember something he did that he got the strap for? Speaker: No, he was just a bad mouth, I was afraid of him.

Speaker: You see- you can 't do that, yeah and that 's the other thing, like we used to have the strap in school, that 's like the- the even in school like what you can and can 't do, like the abu-- not the abuse but- you can 't lift a finger to a child. ... Whereas now we- the strap was out there when we were younger. You know- ... There- there 's no discipline. ... You can 't discipline a child ...

Interviewer: Um, did they give the strap out? Did they do the strap? Speaker: I guess so but I- I don 't think I got the strap at school, but I got the strap at home sometimes.

Interviewer: Was it different in school as well ah strap, and more discipline and more Speaker: Yeah the strap was it. Interviewer: Did you ever get the strap? Speaker: No. Very few girls did. I got spanked once, by Miss-B, but Interviewer: Do you remember what you did? Speaker: Talking in school. (laughing) Interviewer: ... Do you remember boys getting the strap though? Speaker: Yeah, it was a big procedure, because they would bring a great big- what seemed like a huge black leg-- ledger and they 'd write your name in, and they would have the strap, and they would strap the child in front of the class, which I don 't think was necessary.

Speaker: I mean that 's what discipline is. A lot of discipline is to frighten you into towing the line. Interviewer: What sorts of things would get a boy in trouble enough to get the strap? Speaker: Um, stealing, destruction, it had to be pretty bad, fighting. But they didn 't use knives.

Interviewer: Did they use the strap when you were in school? Speaker: Was there the strap when I was in school. I never- I never received it and I don 't ever remember hearing anybody having got the- got the belt for doing anything.

Interviewer: Can you remember any like terrible [teachers]? Speaker: Well there were few guys with l-- th-- at that time the strap still existed and you-know p-- Interviewer: Did you get the strap? Speaker: I didn 't get the strap. I got spanked once by a teacher, which would be entirely inappropriate today, but um you- know some of them had anger-management-problems, let 's just put it that way.

No, they 're afraid to (inc) and they don 't do the strap anymore, and I 've had clients that said "Boy, once I got that strap, I was afraid to get it again."

... I finally said well, "What do the letters T-T-C stand for?" Ah, the answer of course was Toronto-toilet-cleaners. You-know it was a kid 's joke, the- the whole class just roared with laughter, so she ordered me out of the class into the hall and then she came out and gave me the strap.

... the guy behind me, I d-- he prob-- he probably did it- stepped on my heel. And of course I stumbled out of the line, so the teacher grabbed me, I got the strap for that.

Uh, one time I did deserve to get a strap, I got a terrible one where another kid and I had a fist fight in the school yard in recess, and uh, well you- know they have a teacher was monitor, so he grabbed the both of us, and put us up in front of his class, I guess to embarrass us and give his class entertainment, so he gave both of us strap, one after the other back and forth, and ho- that was the worst beating I ever had in my life ... I was so sore, terrible beating. Well, that was the worst one I had. But, once I got into high-school I never had the strap again.

Interviewer: And when you were in school they used punishment as well. Speaker: I got strapped four times when I was in school.

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She would go all that way. Someone who asks me if I'd rather have sex with a man or a woman with a strap-on would kill me if she found out I'd had sex and there'd been an a cam-- and there had been a camera involved. Boy I'm glad she doesn't have the password for my computer.

Okay, we went into this cave, we met this ah, waitress, like there was a waitress in one of the places that we were staying at and she was really nice and she had the day off and such-and-such. And she said, "I'll take you to these underground caves."

Everybody moved, yeah everybody moved out basically because either they found a roommate, I mean they found another place they wanted to be in with their boyfriend or they wanted to move to Kitchener or they were from Kitchener or their job was at such-and-such. Things like that, so they moved out.

Well the Child-Finders or Parent-Finders they phoned me one day and my grandchildren were sitting here, they were teenagers at the time, and ah, y-- you know they asked who- if it was Marta Thorne, and I said "Yes" and ah I- "You had a child in such-and-such a name, we have you registered" and I said "Yes" and she said "Well we have a gentleman here and I believe it's your son" and "Oh-my-g-d where is he? I wanna see him now, five minutes ago, where is he?"