Speaker: And ever since then she- you-know we- we went out a bit and, or, she'd- she would want- purposely bump into me, or- or-something, you-know, or- or ah, take my alleys or-something. Interviewer: Take your alleys. Speaker: Or give me some alleys (laughs). Interviewer: Tell- what's- tell me about that. What's that? Interviewer 2: Alleys? Speaker: Alleys you-know, you play against the ring boards and- you-know.

Ah, it's 'cause she- she was t-- because ah, they were saying ah um, the other people were saying oh, their- they hid some alleys somewhere and then she's like s-- they- she h-- "They hid them over here," and she was playing wi-- she was just talking to him, not acknowledging them and just you-know, just playing around, just playing with him.

Speaker: Then they'd uh- two alligators th-- the- Interviewer: What was an alligator? Speaker: It was a small- smaller boat.

And then they'd keep pulling one boom throw the narrows and then the river drivers would keep shoving the logs through and then after a while they'd get this boom full out here and they'd take it back around and fetch that one up and then they'd have a boom full and then they'd hitch on to those alligator or steam-boat and take it down to- put it over Scotch-Dame.

They were big old steam-boats, alligators eh? And they had a mile of cable on them and you fetch them down on to these lakes here (inc).

That's a steam-tug called an alligator. And that's, ah, what they would do would- they would ah, drive the logs down the river part, they'd get to a lake, they'd boom them up and they'd tow them down the lake with this tug and this happened right up until the second war.

Before that, he was also on what they call- in big cities, they call it a tugboat, but here they call it an alligator, and what it meant was that they would get- (clears throat) what they called them- you-know, the- from the bringing up from Madawaska-River. There were b-- what they called booms, and it was never- I-guess in ah- ah- this alligator would bring up- there was, you-know, like a circle, that you'd t-- nowadays, they would put a rubber thing around there to bring the logs in, eh? And they were all there t-- usually 'bout five-hundred, six-hundred logs, and this alligator would bring them all the way up here without a sawmill.

teeter-totters and ah we used to play um teeter-totters and ah we used to play um Andy-over-the-roof, throw the ball over the roof, Andy-over-the-roof, throw the ball over the roof.

Oh very little. It was just a little village. A little hamlet along the way. Um, but ah, so I'd go into the apothecary shop, and of course they knew who I was, I didn't have a clue. And they would chit-chat and-what-not, and then I'd see them on the street, and-so-on and it was fabulous.

We have an apple-pie-bee, people get together and we have- basically we have um, we have a wonderful little assembly-line going on.

I don't think (inc) parents were overly strict. Trust me (inc) and they weren 't afraid to put a boot on your arse.

You know how many times (inc) his boot right down me arse. You-know?

Yep, and I worked there for seven years after that and ah- ah, was a sign painter. Um and in that seven years got married and had a- ah had a daughter. And ah, it was a good thing my dad kicked my arse out of the house, and- he didn't kick me out, kick me out...

Ah, grade school- well, early schooling was you-know, you went to school, you did your thing. If not, you got a boot in the arse.

And he- he was a- he was cross with us and he says, "Put those socks on. Get off your arse and start walking home 'cause that's the only way you'll get there, eh?" And so the guy he- he s-- and ah, we got home, we got- we- we came across the slimes and we had the- the one guy who fell through, he had to go to the hospital, eh?

And h-- how he became crippled- father got mad at him one day and hit him a- went to hit him a kick in the arse when he was going part-way down the stairs. And he caught him too high. And he got him just on the bottom vertebrae and he broke his back.

Speaker: I know that I got to be home at five-o'clock for supper, or else, you-know I'll get a kick in the arse. And ah that's it. That's the way it goes.

But he's not too loud but- and his language is kind-of funny um well he doesn't swear too much in front of me, but he'll say words like "Arse," and-stuff-like-that. Like "Oh I just fell on my arse," something that's funny.

Well, instead of like "ass" he'd say "arse" I-don't-know, just- or instead of "bum" and um yeah. So he worked at the mine and then he was a teacher at the school too, at K-L-C-V-I, that was the old school here.

And the other one would kick the other one in the arse and just tear him wide open.