My grandfather, an old (inc) lived here in town. He was a Salvation-Army guy. They started the legion hall in Haliburton. I can't tell you what year it was, I think its in the- (inc) up there. They started the legion hall in Haliburton back in them days.

Interviewer: Who's Ned-Surge? Speaker: He's dead long ago. Speaker 2: But now see- Speaker: He was a city slicker. Come up here and brought logs up to the mill. He had a place up here back in them days. He got stuck- cut to build with, eh? I tail-sawed in that mill, I tail-sawed- I was there that day, I was working on the mill when he come up there and took these pictures.

Speaker: And I was invited into the square-dance. Interviewer: Hm, what was that like? Speaker: No different than what we had. Interviewer: Hm. Speaker: Oh we get the same call and-everything eh, back in them days. Interviewer: Do you remember any of the calls? Speaker: Oh yeah. All on the left and the corners all (laughs)- eh Pat? (Laughs)

Speaker: So the main thing was the- the lumbering then. Speaker 2: Mm-hm. Interviewer: At the sawmills. Speaker: Yup. Interviewer: 'Cause there was a lot of- Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Good trees up. Speaker: Back in them days it was good timber here. Interviewer: But the p-- the farms didn't do too well. Speaker: No.

We had everything. We never did without a meal, never. Back in them days, you-know meals were hard.

But he never took the chance because you lost a lot of money, that was your bread-and-butter in them days.

Speaker: We used to put ah molasses- had a barrel of molasses- Interviewer: In a barrel? Speaker: Barrel, yeah that's how you bought it in them days. Interviewer: What did you do with molasses? Speaker: You put it on their turnips. Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: Oh did they ever smack their chops for that.

Interviewer: Very nice. Did your mother knit that? Speaker: Yup. Back in them days everything was hand knit, your mitts and-everything. Interviewer: I know. Speaker 2: Henry learned how to knit.

Well when they do that, the roots do this, they die back. All that goes in the ground as mulch. So they came on to a tired farm which everybody said you're going to have to foul that farm, you're going to have to rest it 'til it can come back to life.

Speaker: Oh the t-- we had- oh they p-- the principal that we had at Victoria-Street, the kids would love to get in trouble with him because (laughs) he had asthma so if you had to get the strap for every time he go "(deep inhale)" (laughs) they knew that they'd be into great trouble in ah- like they'd- they like to get in trouble just to get him (laughs) to have to breathe. Interviewer: Get him going. Speaker: To breathe ah funny.

Speaker: Well she said, "The paper's not wet so it couldn't have-" so she gave me the strap. Interviewer: Ooo! Speaker: Yeah, oh she was pretty strict. Interviewer: Oh my goodness. Speaker: And then I got the strap once more after that, I started learning a bit better (laughs). Interviewer: What did you get the strap for the second time? Speaker: Ah, pretty well the same thing, I ah- Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: (Laughs) First I won the (inc). Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: Yeah, oh well.

Speaker: We pay six-hand euchre lot of times. Interviewer 1: Ooo, how do you play six-hand? Speaker 2: Just add seven more cards in. Speaker: Sevens and eights in and ah two jokers. Interviewer 1: Well that sounds like it would be fun. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker: Yeah you can get tramped on in a hurry (laughs). Eh? Interviewer 2: Yeah. Speaker 2: Except Pat gets the jokers all the time.

Oh I can remember, see little Kennis-- Kennisis-Lake's named after little Joe-Kennisis um who was an Indian and I can remember getting up with the old guys to go out there and fish. And you would have to troll like- When you troll for fishing. And um, I never caught the fish but they said I did okay with trolling but I can go to Percy-Lake and I used to go with my mother and fish with her up there.

No drinking and hunting. Strictly a deal in our hunt night type-thing.

Like they had their curriculum but there was a little bit of leeway to add like arts or home-ec type-things into it when they had time, so we got to do that.

They ah- Mel said she drove to town and got the doctor and they sewed him up on the veranda.

Oh yeah, like it just um- I-don't-know whether- there's always a breeze there and it helps but we have a screened-in veranda so.

Ah, yes and I can remember sitting on our veranda-

I thi-- I think sometimes people who are- are anchored in in the- the traditional find it ah, discouraging at time because your- y-- y-- you have- if you and I have adjacent farms and we're old cottagers and we're sitting on our veranda's and so one y-- one of our veranda's with our rocking chairs and we're reminiscing and we're- we might disagree about a lot of stuff, but one thing I think we would agree on is that we get more or less production from our- our landscape.

And my- my son- he- I'm a vegetarian so if I win steaks curling or-something, I give him the steaks and he gives me back the rainbow or the walleye that he catches in the winter time ice-fishing.