You-see, they make the, ah, cloth first and then they put the, ah- they weave the other colours in. They put- if you want to put roses in- I don't know what's on that chair, whether it's roses or- well, they- they used to do- they'd do these mats out of rags, you-know, these carpets and, ah- and, ah- I see my daughter-in-law down in Saint-Catharines doing them. Boy, they're p-- p-- can be pretty nifty now. You get- of course you buy all the- the stuff for to make it, you-know? And you get the big rug and you work these things through. And that was the way they did. They would w-- they would weave the thing first for to, ah- to- say you wanted to do that chair, the seat in the back, they would make that piece of cloth.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A farrier, you- he just shoe- would shoe the horses, eh? Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: This was the main thing in the old days, of course, how everything was done with horses and, ah, of course in the wintertime they had to be shard-sharp for to travel on the ice and, ah, well, in the summertime of course they usually had a smooth- a summer shoe and a winter shoe.

They had to build a house and a barn and crop a certain amount of land in three years I think before they got their final title. They got a- in the beginning they gave them a- a location ticket, which meant that, ah, in three years tour- um, time or five years time you had to have this building, ah, for to live in.

Speaker: Water is one of the main things. And good water. Interviewer: Yes. Speaker: And we had really good water. We paid a lot of money just for to get a well drilled, you-know.

We often had- there was a little girl staying with us for the winter for the- for to go to school and I can remember she- she come out with me one night, ah, feeding the cattle (inc).

But there were, um, there were dandy blacksmiths. It was lovely to see the ironwork, and they made it all like flowers, I think, all for to make it strong.

Well, they decided to, ah, put the minister on the salary. And they're going around, you-know, the way the m-- minister was paid, or got anything for to live on, they went around every fall.

And went out (laughs) to the country, one dr-- morning- I used to stand on the front of the old sleigh, do-you-see, and be back against the- cover the engine, and, ah, no place on for to sit 'cause you had the engine all covered.

It was way back in nineteen-twelve, I- James-Pinkman got at me for to dig graves for him. Anyone- that's the time I was s-- carting here with the horse. And I wasn't looking- I had all the work I could attend to but- if, ah- I had to work pretty hard a lot of d-- days, for to keep up to me orders, do-you-see?

And they won't let you drive a new car, I understand now, unless you have it and use it. And if I was sitting in a car, in a car that had it on, and I didn't have it tied on me, myself, charge me twenty dollars. Your own government, that's making laws for to ruin you and I, you-see.

I moved darn far, for to start to cart up there, I knew there was a dandy place. There was nobody up there. There was, ah- s-- some lad used to go to the station, but that's all he would do.

Every time he'd go up between the horses, for to give them anything, he was working. He'd get the pockets full, and he tur-- turned right straight and he would go right through the door with his little pockets full of something.

Well, then I had to go look for this, ah, man, the undertaker, for to meet the boat. They were taking the boat at Ottawa, and going way down the Ottawa to this cemetery, and, ah, he had to come from where I got off with a, ah, hearse.

Now this beast is an unseen spirit that people doesn't understand. And why don't they? He smote this beast. He didn't kill him, and he's healed now, and it's him that's causing all this trouble. It's him that's spending all- keeping the people, the peasants, and these money every month. Making a big fool of himself. Gathering the booty among- for to get the people blindfolded, that they can't see them- the devil putting these hog-holders in their grand cars.

I haven't bought I-don't-know-when. I, ah- James-Pinkman, ah, used to give me a, ah- sometimes a good pair of braces. They don't bother putting them on in the- in the casket, eh? Take them off just at the end of the road, for to get the rest of the things.

That's ah- sour cream, that's for making butter. You had to let- you had to let it get sour for to make butter.

And you can ah- you can figure out that I didn't have very much time for to be running around. They- once I got up- quit public-school, I was all the help he had.

But ah 'round here there wasn't m-- much- very many cows- milk-cows you-know. They didn't any have any way for to work with us.

Bear steak. I never had it but- I have had muskrat but ah just had it for to say I ate it you-know.

Speaker: We'd maybe buy bran bread- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Like bran and uh, but not very often I don't think we'd run out of bread because uh, she was very good at uh- for to- keep things- Interviewer: Keep the supplies ahead. Yes.